I love the cold. I love it all: the need to wrap up in a silly amount of layers, the excitement of bobble hat shopping and the endless desire for carbs and cuppas. Winter is a delight. And when the coldcomes, you need food that holds you like a hug, and warms you from inside. Things are about to get hot and spicy – here’s 10 of my favourite spicy ramen bowls in London:
Best Spicy Ramen in London: For Taste
1. Spicy Yuzu Ramen at Kanada-Ya, Soho
The Ramen: Spicy Yuzu Ramen –spicy yuzu, pork and chicken bone broth and chashu pork collar (£12)
The Lowdown:Kanada-Ya should be on every ramen lovers list – noodles don’t get much better than this. Originally established in Japan, the kitchen crew makeall noodles on site with a special machine, imported from the motherland. They also use a very specific brand of flour, enriched with the right protein content and alkaline salts to produce a bouncy, firm noodle capable of standing up to the rich broth.
Order: One of the bestspicy ramen in London – it’s seriously good, and will warm your cockles on a cold London evening.The spicy yuzu paste and the meaty broth is a winning combination, and thechashu pork collar is melt-in-the-mouthdelicious. I’d recommend adding in aHanjuku egg. And the Japanese fried chicken served with wasabi mayonnaise should be ordered. Immediately.
Where:3 Panton Street, Soho,SW1Y 4DLLondon
2. Spicy Miso Ramen at Bone Daddies, Soho
The Ramen: Spicy Miso Ramen –pork neck chashu, padron peppers and sesame oil in a chicken bone broth (£11)
The Lowdown:With their latest outpost just opened in Old Street and another one on it’s way in Shoreditch soon, these guys are spawning like rabbits. And for good reason. Where else will you find little jars crammed full of hairbands sitting alongside the standard ramen accoutrements of garlic, sesame seeds, vinegar and chilli oil? How thoughtful. Because this place requires you to get down and slurpy, so tie your hair back and wade through a glorious bowl of rich, steaming, sexy bone broth.
Order: Everything. With the Soho outlet theiroriginal rocking ramen joint, it would be rude not stick to the classics. Line your stomach with their sweet and sticky Korean chicken wings, before getting your chopsticks into their tonkotsu ramen made with 20-hour pork broth. The spicy miso ramen has a real kick to it, without knocking you into next week. And yes, padron peppers in ramen really works.
Where:31 Peter St, London W1F 0AR
Best Spicy Ramen in London: For Quirkiness
3. Lazy Goat Tsukemen at Nanban, Brixton
The Ramen:Lazy Goat Tsukemen – spicy dipping ramen with goat in a rich curry broth, half a tea-pickled egg, seafood sawdust, fried shallots and Scotch bonnet-pickled bamboo shoots (£11.95)
The Lowdown: TimAnderson, Winner ofMasterchef 2011 is behind Nanban, asouthern Japanese restaurant inBrixton. Tim famously wooedJohn Torode and Gregg Wallace with his Tokyo-inspiredmonkfish liver and jellied ponzu burger, and he’s been woo-ing the hungry crowds with his take on Japanese soul-food ever since. Head upstairs to the booth-style seating, and peruse the menu whilst nibbling on edamame with Jamaican Scotch bonnet sauce. There’s nothing like a bit of heat to kick off proceedings.
Order: Some of thesmall plates are hit and miss, but the baked sweet potato with ponzu butter and black sesame salt do not disappoint, and the beef tatki is another highlight. Hearty hunks of goat, fried shallots and Scotch bonnet-pickled bamboo shoots is a killer combo and this ramen really delivers in the spicy stakes. TheMiyazaki chicken ramen ain’t too shabby either.
Where:426 Coldharbour Ln, London SW9 8LF
4. Piri Piri Ramen at Shoryu Ramen, Various Locations
The Ramen:Piri Piri Ramen –extra heat, jalapeños and top secret spicy gochujang sauce (£11.90)
The Lowdown:Shoryu Ramen is, obviously, the place to come for ramen. They just do it so well here, and there’s plenty of different ramen to choose from. This canteen-like restaurant is an ideal pit-stop for a quick lunch, or a pre-drinking dinner; quick, fuss-free and you certainly get more bang for your Great British buck.You can also get gluten-free noodles in your ramen, so everyone’s a winner here.
Order:One of the best spicy ramen in London if you’re looking for something new. For something deliciously different, try theDracula Tonkotsu with caramelised black garlic mayu and garlic chips. Just don’t breathe on anyone after, yeah? The Shoryu Bun – a steamed hirata style bun filled with soy marinated chicken karaage – is fantastic. Piri piri doesn’t just lend itself chicken, hell no. The piri piri ramen is a beautiful bowl of warming pork bone with a fiery kick. I don’t know what’s in that top secret spicy sauce, but I like it.
Best Spicy Ramen in London: ForClassic Flavours
The Ramen:Spicy Ramen – noodles in soya soup with spice, carrot, menma, bean-sprouts, fish-cake, seaweed and spring- onion (£7.90)
The Lowdown: Taro on Brewer St would’t win a beauty contest, but their food certainly makes up for their slap dash furnishings.Ignore the tired decor, and just concentrate on the menu. This place attracts a mixed crowd – anything from students to local office workers. There’s queues out the door for a reason. It’s all very simple at Taro– the menu isn’t fussy or over-complicated, and that’s what we love about it.
Order: If you enjoy life on the hotter side, the spicy edamame are a must try. And their spicy ramen features thin egg noodles and oodles of different ingredients. Fish cake in ramen sounds like a strange combination, sure, but it’stotally tasty– the mix of salty seaweed and fermented menmaon top is utterly divine.Don’t miss their spicy chicken teri don, it’s devilishly good.
Where: 61 Brewer St, London W1F 9UW
6. Pork Ramen at Koi Ramen Bar, Pop Brixton
The Ramen: Pork Ramen – noodles in a pork broth with pork belly (£6)
The Lowdown: Before you start trolling me over various social media sites, I know there’s no spicy ramen at Koi Ramen Bar – but their ramen is stupendous, and leaving them out this list would just bebarbaric.Dishing up a slice of Japan in South London, these guys and gals know a thing or two about broths (there’s takes 12 hours to make).
Order: One of the best spicy ramen in London.Guzzle their pork brothtopped with 10 hour slow cooked tender pork belly slices marinated in their own special soya sauce. I’ve eaten ramen in Japan, and this is by far the closest I’ve found to the real deal. They also serve a veggie friendly version withfried tofu, shredded carrot and spring onion in a miso soybean broth. No meat, and full of flavour.
Where: Pop Brixton,49 Brixton Station Road,London SW9 8PQ
Best Spicy Ramen in London: ForSpeed
7. Chilli Chicken Ramen: Wagamama, Various Locations
The Ramen: Chilli Chicken Ramen –noodles in a spicy chicken broth topped with grilled chicken, red onion, spring onions, beansprouts, chilli, coriander and fresh lime
The Lowdown: Really?Yes, you read that right – I have included Wagamama in the list. Wagamama is onto a very good thing with their Japanese offering.The school-like seating feels like home to me, and the speedy service and purse friendly prices keep the punters come back time and time again.I’ve been to Wagamama many times, and I still don’t understand what the scribble on my place mat.
Order: Come here for all the Japanesefavourites. Obviously, for all the Wagamama virgins, the chicken katsu curry is pretty legendary, and the chill squid is fantastic too. They don’t hold back with the spice when it comes to the chilli chicken ramen, and they also serve a chill beef ramen.The green tea is free, and if you ask nicely, they sometimes throw in a free miso soup. Winner.
Where: Locations here
Best Spicy Ramen in London: ForHomemade
8. Karaka-Men at Ipuddo, Covent Garden and Canary Wharf
The Ramen: Karaka-Men – tonkotsu broth and homemade noodles, ‘karaka’ spicy miso paste, pork belly chasu, bean sprouts, cashew nuts, spring onion, sansho pepper and fragrant garlic oil (£11)
The Lowdown:Ippudo is a Japanese ramen restaurant group which now operates restaurants across 13 different countries, with sites in New York, Singapore, Hong Kong and Sydney. The restaurant resembles a kitchen show-room; sleek features and ultra modern fittings. You can order your meal from an i-pad which is always entertaining.
Order: The menu here feels like the Yellow Pages – it’s long and quite confusing. Stick to when they’re known for and opt fortheramen. There’s plenty of options, and no one is going to go hungry. Keep it classic and rder the shiromaru tamago, it’s everything you’d find in the tradiotnal ramen with the addition of the special chasu sauce.In fact, the vegetable ramen is one of our favourites – so the veggies don’t feel left out, either.
Where:3 Central Saint Giles, Piazza Saint Giles High Street, London, WC2H 8AG andUnit CR 28, Level Minus One Crossrail Station and Retail Mall, 1 Crossrail Place London E14 5AR
9. Spicy Kimchi Ramen at Tatami Ramen, Flat Iron Square
The Ramen: Spicy Kimchi Tonkotsu Ramen
The Lowdown:FlatIronSquarehas just opened, and covers 40,000sq ft, encompassing six railway arches and surrounding open spaces. Think of it as London’s version of New York’s High Line. Inside Flat Iron Square is a treasure trove of different foodie haunts, includingTatami Ramen. This Barcelona born ramen bar has finally brought its award-winning noodles to the colder climes of Britain.
Order: Themenu features Tonkotsu Fukuoka styleramen, along with miso Tonkotsuramen. The spicy kimchi Tonkotsuramen is like nothing we’ve tried before – it’s rich and full of flavour. Meat-free queen? You’ll pleased to hear they serve a white sesame veganramenand a spicy black sesame veganramen. This isaramenforce to be reckoned with.
Where:68 Union St, London SE1 1TD
Best Spicy Ramen in London: ForSuper Spicy
10. Spicy Tonkotsu Ramen at Cocoro, Marylebone
The Ramen:Spicy Tonkotsu Ramen – ramen in hot and spicy pork soup with various toppings (£14)
The Lowdown: Cocoro is Marylebone’s answer to decent ramen. After a successful first opening, you can now find Cocoro in Highgate and Bloomsbury. Drop in for classic Japanese eats and a serious sake menu to match. And not only is the food a welcoming hug in a bowl, but the staff are super friendly.
Order: There’s sushi galore. Let’s just say, you’ll be eating maki rolls for days. But hey, it’s winter and you need a comforting broth – here you’ll find one of the best spicy ramen in London. The spicy tonkotsu is an excellent choice, and the spicy miso ramen has a wonderful deep aroma. We advise throwing in extra noodles to mop up the broth-y dregs.
Where: 31 Marylebone Ln, London W1U 2NH
What is the hottest spicy ramen? ›
If you need the world's ultimate two-in-one hangover cure, consider picking up a pack of Samyang Hek's Nuclear Hot Chicken ramen, which might possibly be the spiciest instant noodles you'll ever eat.What is the most delicious ramen in the world? ›
Many would think of Ichiran's tonkotsu (pork-based) ramen when it comes to the title of the best ramen in the world but Rishiri Miraku is the best in its own field; shoyu (soy sauce-based) ramen.How hot is the spicy ramen challenge? ›
What is Samyang 2x Spicy Noodles' Scoville Heat Unit? The original Samyang 2x Spicy Noodles' Scoville Heat Unit (SHU) was at 8,808 SHU but the renewed version is at 10,000 SHU.What are the 4 types of ramen? ›
You often see ramen categorized into four classes: shio (salt), shoyu (soy sauce), miso (fermented bean paste), and tonkotsu (pork), which doesn't make particular sense, as the first three are flavorings, while the fourth is the broth base.Is Black Samyang spicier than red? ›
A: Red is a traditional spicy chicken sauce, and black is a much more spicy sauce.How spicy is buldak 2X? ›
Samyang 2x Spicy Buldak is about 2.5 times spicy compared to the original buldak (4404) with a Scoville index of 10,000, and about 1.2 times spicier than the existing nuclear-buldak (8706). Among the ramen released in Korea, it currently has a spicy taste.Which country eats the most ramen? ›
China consumes the most instant ramen noodles in the world, approximately 40 billion servings per year.What country is famous for ramen? ›
It starts in 1800s China, which is considered to be the birthplace of all things ramen. The idea of noodles in a soupy broth travelled with Chinese immigrants in the late 19th or early 20th Century to Japan after the Meijiichin [Meiji Restoration] in 1868.How hot is Samyang 3x spicy? ›
Well, 4,400 SHU (scoville heat units). 3x would be 13,200 SHU – I guess we'll have to see if that's spicy.Why is buldak so spicy? ›
Buldak is a popular street food found in South Korea. Chicken is marinated in a host of Korean chiles and then grilled over a fire until charred. Buldak ramen (or "buldak bokkeum myeon") puts all the flavors of fire chicken into a very (sometimes extremely) spicy soup noodle.
How do people eat spicy ramen? ›
Some people eat all of the toppings first, but like Orkin, we'd suggest going from bite to bite. After your first sip of the soup, go for a slurp of noodles, then try a bite of the toppings (individually or together), then sip some more soup, then slurp, and so on.Is ramen healthy to eat? ›
Though instant ramen noodles provide iron, B vitamins and manganese, they lack fiber, protein and other crucial vitamins and minerals. Additionally, their MSG, TBHQ and high sodium contents may negatively affect health, such as by increasing your risk of heart disease, stomach cancer and metabolic syndrome.Which type of ramen is spicy? ›
Spicy ramen is a variety of Japanese noodle soup featuring ramen noodles tossed in a sauce seasoned with assorted dried red pepper powders like togarashi, pastes like yuzu kosho and gochujang, or sauces like sriracha, Chinese-style chili garlic sauce, and sambal oelek (Indonesian chili sauce).What Japanese ramen is real? ›
In its most basic form, traditional ramen always consists of soup and noodles. In most cases, noodle shape and thickness vary depending on the type of ramen, location or shop, and multiple toppings are added; but it's the soup base itself that really gives each type its own unique kick.How spicy is Samyang pink? ›
With a Scoville rating of about 8000 units (which is the equivalent of eating an entire jalapeno), this Samyang flavor not only became a viral internet challenge, but is also one of the spiciest instant noodles on the market.Which Samyang flavor is the spiciest? ›
Of all the flavors, Buldak Ramen 2x Spicy Hot Chicken Flavor is the spiciest flavor with a scoville rating of 10,000 SHU and the Jjajang Hot Chicken Flavor is the least spicy with a scoville rating of 1,920 SHU. What is this? Buldak Ramen is a Korean instant noodles brand and is a Samyang Foods product.What is the spiciest Korean noodle? ›
- Shin Ramyeon – 2,700 Scovilles. ...
- Spicy Bibim Ramyeon – 2,769 Scovilles. ...
- Men's Ramyeon – 3,037 Scovilles. ...
- Habanero Spicy Noodles (Red) – 3,960 Scovilles. ...
- Really Spicy – 4,000 Scovilles.
Numerous brands compete to produce the tastiest and spiciest instant noodles. The trend started when Korean noodle brand Samyang broke into the market and gained instant popularity with their spicy hot instant noodles. Although the purpose to create such flavour remains questionable, it became a trend nonetheless.Is Black buldak the spiciest? ›
Are buldak noodles the spiciest noodles? The original buldak bokkeum myeon hot chicken flavor ramen are super spicy at 4,404 Scoville units, but they aren't the spiciest noodle Samyang makes. The spiciest noodle is the buldak bokkeum myeon mini (hot chicken flavor ramen mini) which is 12,000 Scoville units.What does buldak mean in Korean? ›
Buldak (불닭) or fire chicken is a heavily spiced, barbecued chicken dish. The literal meaning of the name is "fire chicken", where bul means "fire" and dak translates to "chicken."
Which city is famous for ramen? ›
Considered to be one of the original styles of ramen, Tokyo is a central fixture when looking at the history of ramen in Japan. For this reason, you'll find some of the oldest ramen shops across the country located right in the capital, as well as some of the most famous chefs!Is ramen Korean or Japanese? ›
Ramen (/ˈrɑːmən/) (拉麺, ラーメン or らーめん, rāmen, IPA: [ɾaꜜːmeɴ]) is a Japanese noodle dish. It consists of Chinese-style wheat noodles (or 中華麺, chūkamen) served in a broth; common flavors are soy sauce and miso, with typical toppings including sliced pork (chāshū), nori (dried seaweed), menma (bamboo shoots), and scallions.What age group eats ramen the most? ›
In the case of males, the highest ratio of noodle consumers was for those between 19-50 years old. For both males and females, 9-18 year-olds consumed the highest amounts of noodles.What is the correct way to eat ramen? ›
After you've finished all the noodles and toppings, put down your chopsticks and spoon. With both hands, bring the bowl to your mouth and continue slurping, as though you are drinking a drink! The broth is not only the tastiest part of the dish, but it is also the part that is given the most effort and time to make.Is Top Ramen Chinese or Japanese? ›
Top Ramen (トップラーメン, Toppu rāmen) is an American brand of instant ramen noodles introduced in 1970 by Nissin Foods.Why do Japanese love ramen? ›
With its easy preparation and delicious flavor it became known as the nation's favorite comfort food. Nowadays, authentic Chinese ramen and Japanese ramen have gradually become different. The reason is in the soup. Many foreign tourists also like Japanese ramen for its soup.Why are Koreans obsessed with ramen? ›
People do treat ramen as a common source of food, despite its lack of nutrition, because it is cheap and easy to make. Surprisingly, these ads are what truly reflects how much of a large part of ramen occupies the Korean culture and how much it has manifested as a 'proper' dish.What is the ramen capital of the world? ›
The region is also home to what's considered the ramen capital of the world, Kitakata. A city of about 50,000, Kitakata has the most ramen spots per capita of any city in the world, making it a must-visit for diehard fans.Is there a 4x Samyang? ›
SPECIAL STATEMENT AS OF 12/19/2017: It has come to my attention that many places/people are under the impression that this variety is considered to be 'Samyang Foods 4x Spicy Buldak Bokkeummyun. ' This is definitely NOT the case. Original Samyang Foods Buldak Bokkeummyun is 4,404SHU, 2x Spicy is 8,706SHU.Is Samyang 3x spicier than 2x? ›
They taste, look, and smell extremely similar to 1x and 2x except more spicy. Doesn't taste "50% more spicy" to me but that's not really how spice works. Maybe more like 20% increase in perceived spiciness.
How do I eat Samyang 2x less spicy? ›
The first way is to pour a little bit of milk when mixing the power and noodle. It gives it a creamier texture. Furthermore, the milk helps soothe the spiciness. Another way is to eat the original fire noodles with eggs and cheese.Do Koreans eat buldak? ›
Buldak sparked off a trend for extraordinarily hot dishes in Korea and it remains popular at many bars -- accompanied by a cold beer, of course.Which buldak is the hottest? ›
Challenge Buldak Bbibbimyeon (SHU: 12,000)
It has a Scoville index of 12,000 and this is the hottest flavor in Samyang's Buldak lineup.
You'd also be surprised at the bounty of ramen options out there; dry and wet, spicy and mild, even some that include meat. Regardless, it's definitely not something I would recommend on a daily basis; doing so long-term is said to incite high blood pressure and a higher chance of getting diabetes and heart disease.What to drink when eating spicy ramen? ›
But spicy Asian dishes are often said to pair well with sweeter, typically white wines like a demi-sec Chenin Blanc, an off-dry Riesling, or crowd-favorite Moscato d'Asti.What happens after eating ramen? ›
Doctors think that ramen's processed ingredients, high sodium levels and considerable amount of saturated fats contribute to high blood pressure, high blood sugar levels, and an increased risk of stroke, diabetes and heart disease.Can you get skinny by eating ramen? ›
While instant ramen may be an affordable and easy meal option, it is not the best choice if you're trying to lose weight. This is because it is high in calories, fat, sodium, and carbs, and it is lacking in fiber and protein. Below are all the reasons why eating ramen noodles is not conducive to weight loss.Is it OK to eat ramen twice a week? ›
“It would be better to eat food that isn't processed, no matter what you're choosing,” Gulati said. She said ramen should be eaten once a week at most — and that even if a student does eat it, they should eat it in smaller portions and balance out their meals with other nutritional options.Is ramen healthier than rice? ›
Rice contained a lower sugar content which means that the after eating the fried rice the blood sugar will not spike as quickly as the noodles (fatsecret). Based on these findings, I would say the noodles and rice have their own minor advantages and disadvantages, but neither is an outright healthier choice.Is Korean ramen very spicy? ›
It is considered one of the spiciest instant noodles available in the Korean market, with the original packet having 4,404 Scoville units. It is a type of 'stir-fried' dry noodle: after boiling, the noodles are drained, and mixed with a spicy sauce and a topping.
How spicy is Korean spicy ramen? ›
The bowl package is 3,210 Scoville units, while the stovetop package is 4,404 Scoville units. If you are brave enough to try the 2X Spicy version, you're downing an incredible 8,706 SHU. This makes Korean fire noodles about as spicy as your average jalapeño pepper.What are the 2 types of ramen? ›
There are two main types of ramen noodles – high alkaline which is lighter and brighter, and low alkaline which is denser, heavier, and has a stronger wheat flavor. Thin noodles are more likely to be highly alkaline and will have more spring in their step, thick or wavy noodles are more likely to be low alkaline.What ramen did Naruto like? ›
Naruto's favorite ramen is miso based with extra chasu, or pork. Ramen broth comes served in one of three ways- miso, salt, or soy sauce based. You may also see soup classed as tonkotsu, which refers to the pork stock base most commonly used in ramen.Is there a ramen God? ›
Yamagishi was the inventor of tsukemen aka dipping ramen, where the noodles and broth are served separately and you dip cold noodles into hot broth. It's a style of ramen that has become increasingly popular in Japan. Thus, Yamagishi is considered the God of Ramen.What ramen is in Naruto? ›
Naruto eats miso ramen with pork. Naruto always orders an extra serving of pork to satisfy his seemingly never ending hunger. Miso ramen typically consists of boiled miso and pork stock, fresh vegetables, soft-boiled eggs, and of course ramen noodles.How hot is 3x spicy ramen? ›
Well, 4,400 SHU (scoville heat units). 3x would be 13,200 SHU – I guess we'll have to see if that's spicy.How many Scoville units is 4x spicy ramen? ›
a 4x spicy would be in the range of 15,000~16,000 SHU. I asked Samyang Foods about this and they hadn't known about this claim being made. They also let me know that the bowl version of Mala is 2,800 SHU vs the pack version being 2,700 SHU.Is Shin Ramyun spicier than Samyang? ›
Many of you are probably familiar with the first one, due to the commercials during Proleague broadcasts: Idol hype aside, I found that Samyang Ramen tastes pretty bland and oily, compared to Shin Ramen, which does taste better but a little too spicy (using the entire soup base = not a good idea).Is Samyang ramen spiciest? ›
It tastes yum so feel like eating more, but it's a trap! Not Kidding but this one is seriously very spicy. Please enjoy with caution. 4.0 out of 5 stars Too spicy!!Which Japanese ramen is spicy? ›
Tan Tan Ramen is a spicy, incredibly tasty Japanese ramen noodle soup. It also happens to be based on a Chinese recipe. Yep, Japanese “tantanmen” is actually based on Chinese “Dan Dan Mian,” or Dan Dan Noodles, a spicy Sichuan dish of noodles, stir-fried ground pork, and blanched greens.
Is Samyang 3x spicier than 2X? ›
They taste, look, and smell extremely similar to 1x and 2x except more spicy. Doesn't taste "50% more spicy" to me but that's not really how spice works. Maybe more like 20% increase in perceived spiciness.Is 2pm ramen spicy? ›
Spicy, saucy and a unique flavour profile. All within a reasonable price.Is 1000000 Scoville hot? ›
Here's a glance at heat levels for some popular hot peppers, according to the Scoville scale: Ghost Extremely Hot (over 1,000,000) Habanero Extra Hot (100,000 to 300,000) Tabasco Hot (30,000 to 50,000)Is 200000 Scoville hot? ›
The Scoville Heat Scale.
|Scoville Heat Units||Chilli Pepper|
|100,000 - 200,000||Jamaican Hot pepper|
|100,000 - 125,000||Carolina Cayenne pepper|
|95,000 - 110,000||Bahamian pepper|
|Scoville Heat Units||Scoville Heat Level||Chili Pepper|
|60,000 - 100,000 SHU||9||Diablo Grande Pepper|
|50,000 - 100,000 SHU||9||Yellow Bumpy|
|50,000 - 100,000 SHU||9||Chupetinha|
|50,000 - 100,000 SHU||9||Aji Limo|
People do treat ramen as a common source of food, despite its lack of nutrition, because it is cheap and easy to make. Surprisingly, these ads are what truly reflects how much of a large part of ramen occupies the Korean culture and how much it has manifested as a 'proper' dish.Why does Shin Ramyun taste so good? ›
Because it's just really good. It's spicy, but not intolerable, and has good umami undertones. It works well even if you add all kinds of random ingredients, like bean sprouts or scallions, eggs or cheese. It just works with so many variations but also is super good all by itself.